Aram-con

Collected comments from an Atrios thread, which got started with a mobjective assertion.

I would approve torture of the WH crew to see who potentially endangered millions by outing Plame.

veritas | Email | Homepage | 06.16.04 - 1:05 am | #

The Plame operation appears to be more of a con game, set up to get deep cover in Saudi oil company Aramco. The idea was to get detailed info on oil reserves, rather than WMD's.

more on Aram-con, here

Webster Hubble Telescope | Email | Homepage | 06.16.04 - 1:32 am | #

Webster:

Was Plame wasn't outed to punish Amb. Wilson for the revelations re: Niger, or was that was just a fortunate (or ultimately unfortunate depending on your prespective) consequence.

How far would Bushco go to protect their Saudi Royal friends? Would they out a CIA opetative, who got to close to the "End of Oil" question, to protect the Saudi's from the inevitable revolution lead by osama when he learns that the last barrel will be sold for $40 when he thinks he should go for $100.

how ironic that Bush's devotion to oil and Bandar Bush et al will be his demise.

freshface | Email | Homepage | 06.16.04 - 2:38 am | #

freshface
i read the coup d'etat story last week, but i had a problem with the conclusion that bushco shot themselves in the foot by outing plame....until you just explained to me why it was indeed advantageous. thanks

sedna | Email | Homepage | 06.16.04 - 2:57 am | #

Sedna:

Glad to see your interested. the pieces fall together like this:

Plame, via Brewster, Jennings' association with ARAMCO, gets to close to the Saudi's closely guarded secret regarding their oil production peak.

The country is already in a prerevolutionary state, and the royal family could not survive if this informantion is revealed. Osama has a "gentleman's agreement" with the Saudi's not to attack them, but the agreement won't hold when he learns the oil spicket is about to go dry since he believes oil should be @ $100.

Meanwhile, Bush has agreed to protect the Saudi royals in exchange for oil at a reasonable price, and in return the Saudi family won't dump their shares in the US stock market, which would lead to a major financial calamity.

The timeing of Plame's outing is initially seen as a lucky coincidence, i.e. killing two birds with one stone. Unfortunately for Bush (read Rove-Cheney), his arrogant ignorance didn't forsee the ire of Amb. Wilson, or the tenacity of AG Fitzgerald

freshface | Email | Homepage | 06.16.04 - 3:46 am | #

Meanwhile, Bush has agreed to protect the Saudi royals in exchange for oil at
a reasonable price, and in return the Saudi family won't dump their shares in
the US stock market, which would lead to a major financial calamity.

They've been dumping their shares for awhile now. A few on the extreme edges of the financial markets believe 9-11 was payback for losses.

Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 06.16.04 - 4:14 am | #

Meanwhile, Bush has agreed to protect the Saudi royals in exchange for oil at a reasonable price, and in return the Saudi family won't dump their shares in
the US stock market, which would lead to a major financial calamity.

Anonymous 4:14AM was thinking along the same lines. If this is the line of reasoning it would make a lot more sense to torture Saudis with lots of money than it would to torture the people swept up in the CPA drag net. It would make a lot more sense to torture the Saudis who were airlifted to safety after 911.
Better throw in those involved with US intellegence going back to the Reagan years since they were the wet nurses of the infant Al Q. And maybe throw in Pakistan's establishment too.

About the only people who we know didn't support Osama bin Ladin were the anti-war crowd and the Soviet government.

Hell, just torture everyone and see what they spill.

EPT | Email | Homepage | 06.16.04 - 8:31 am | #

As for Plame, the ARAMACO link was like oh hellll. No wonder she was outed.

HEY GUESS WHO THE WHITES GETTING KILLED/CAPTURED IN SAUDI ARABIA ARE RIGHT NOW- ARAMACO INSIDERS THAT WERE PART OF THE PLAME CONTACTS... REMIND BOB NOVAK THAT THERE IS BLOOD IS ON HIS HANDS_ HE WAS NOT ON CROSSFIRE YESTERDAY...PERHAPS HIS LAWYER HAS SEQUEsTERED HIS ASS...

Mr.Murder | Email | Homepage | 06.16.04 - 11:13 am | #

Updated: Fixed Atrios link at top.

Suffice to say, there is a story (concerning oil machinations) within a story (outing Plame) here.